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Post by cass on Oct 17, 2007 18:25:55 GMT -5
EVERYONE DOES IT BECAUSE IT WORKS! You dont see top horses that are ridden without being kicked hard at times. My trainer who's won about everything in the reining world always says "the best horses are the ones who are afraid of being hurt" and its SO true. Animals learn through punishment and reward. Kicking is punishment. You can't reason with them. The horse does exactly what he's told or he's hurt. simple as that. Now I'm leaving this conversation because its clear you all dont give a d*** if it works or not and I'm going to scream.
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EquitationRocker♥
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Post by EquitationRocker♥ on Oct 17, 2007 19:42:08 GMT -5
Guys western is completely different than english in some things they do. If the horse doesn't seem to mind it, and is pampered and treated well other than that, it's not that big a deal. (Not saying I totally agree with it) I do see where you are coming from Cassy and I see where JJ and Mia are coming from. You guys had to have seen a spur rub before, it's not a deep gash or anything, it's basically a surface wound that heals by the next day if you put bag balm or something on it. It's not a big gash left untreated. The horse isn't abused. We've never had a fight on here before, lets not make one.
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Post by FreeStyle08 on Oct 17, 2007 21:10:07 GMT -5
Im sorry I got so deffincive but when cassie said that you kick so hard that you draw blood (around here with most people) that means big gashes that neeeds treatment. you dont see rub spots very often around here. (if she would have said that I wouldnt have gotten like I did).
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Post by [J u m p r g r l ♥] on Oct 18, 2007 17:45:45 GMT -5
I'm also sorry, and I agree with JJ. Kicking so hard that it draws blood immediatly made me thought of a big gash, but it's probably not.
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Post by FreeStyle08 on Oct 18, 2007 18:58:46 GMT -5
and see around here its a differant at one show becuase this was starting to be come a big deal we made a manitory vet check after every run and the rule has been if you use spurs you can ether kick them with the spurs 3 times or if you dont have spurs on you can only hit them with an over under whip 3 times but you can kick as much as you want (with no spurs) and we had a total of 300 horses and out of the around 300 horses and 200 of the riders were wearing spurs and we only had 25 come out with just spur rubs that had veary little blood. but the rest of the 150 riders came out with gashes and blood driping down there sides and blood on the riders spur. (quite a few were the depth of the rouls(sp)
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Post by Cassie on Nov 8, 2007 21:39:21 GMT -5
NEW QUESTION
Ok so yesterday I was watching this speed jumping derby on tv and it makes me believe that having perfect jumping position means nothing. I understand it does for hunter though. These riders were bouncing around like rag dolls and if they had jumps close together they would often remain in 2-point until the set was done with. One guy hardly went in 2-point at all, he raised himself about 3 inches and sat back down immediatly. The horses were scrambling underneath themselves trying to keep their footing. It was deffinatly strange. And this wasn't an amature thing, there were a few of those Spruce Meadows jumpers in the show although I can't remember the names at the moment. And at Spruce meadows, they dont all jump the same. One guy jumps completely unconventially. He brings his entier legs off the horses sides and does a few other things differently and still does really well.
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Post by FreeStyle08 on Nov 24, 2007 18:33:34 GMT -5
I would say you were watching steeple chase, was there a hole bunch of riders and like brush jumps and stuff? if there were you were watching a steeplechase and that is COMPLETELY differant from hunter/jumper.
in steeplechase you are just trying to stay on the horse and come in first you dont care what you look like out there.
or you could have been watching a tie braking round of Jumping, if it was set up in a hunter jumper course and there was only 1 rider at a time then all they were trying to do is get around the course as fast as possible with out any faults.
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Post by Cassie on Nov 24, 2007 19:24:03 GMT -5
Nope, it was regular stadium jumps like at spruce meadows (but a little smaller) and one rider went at a time. There was no time limit and no faults. The goal was to go as fast as possible, knocking down a rail added 4 seconds to your time instead of giving you 4 faults.
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