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Post by Cassie on Aug 19, 2007 0:13:40 GMT -5
How hard is it? If I start taking english lessons, how long do you think it'd take before I started to learn to jump? I can post in western, it'd need a bit of refining, I naturally sit like an english rider when I ride western (and get yelled at for it) and I've cantered in an english saddle before with good balance. I know my postition will need some work but I'm not starting from scratch so how long do you think I would expect to wait? Mainly, how hard is it? It looks pretty simple but everything looks a lot simpler than it really is in horseback riding.
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Post by EquitationRocker♥ on Aug 19, 2007 8:28:22 GMT -5
Well I have been riding for 13 years and the highest I have jumped was 4'6". Jumping is hard until you get the hang of it. Once you get the hang of it, it's like second nature when you ride, but you always have something to improve on. It's different for everyone though. Some people it comes a lot easier to than others. The reason why alllll of our "top jumpers" are in their 50's is because it's a hard skill to master. But since you already know how to ride and you've got the flat basics down it won't take as long. I'd say with a little less than a month worth of english flat lessons you could start jumping. Then you'll have to see where it goes from there.
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Post by FreeStyle08 on Aug 21, 2007 12:50:34 GMT -5
good points beth,
If you are thinking about using shadow for jumping I would give you about 2 months to brush up on any thing that and change some things and that gives you a little time to try to make it second nature. and for shadow I would have her 6 months to a year.
and even if you are working on flat a really good exercise that all jumpers usualy do is trot poles one it will help you get hte ballence you need for jumping and it will help teach the horse to pick him/her self up and and if a horse it bran new at jumping or something or has had a bad experance with jumping its a really good confedince builder for horse or rider.
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Post by Cassie on Aug 21, 2007 19:09:10 GMT -5
Thanks guys. Question about the poles, should I be in 2-point while shes going over them? I've tortted her over them a lot on about half a dozen occasions and she had no problem but it was incredibly bouncy for me so I'm thinking I should be right?
Ya, if I do switch Shadow to english I would probably just take lessons english until I get decent at it then just work flat with Shadow and get her headset right while I learn to jump on lesson horses. I think that would be the easiest way.
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Post by EquitationRocker♥ on Aug 23, 2007 22:18:57 GMT -5
For the poles, you can post to it, you just have to find the rythem. You can 2-point too because it will build up the muscles you're going to need for 2-point later. Don't be suprised if you have lower back pain ;-). Also to help build up the muscles you'll need for o/f walk, trot, and canter around in 2-point really shoving your heels down, and shorten your stirrups up so your legs get used to the position. Try some work in half seat too.
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Post by [J u m p r g r l ♥] on Aug 24, 2007 11:20:15 GMT -5
Aw nuts i'm too late! lol Everybody already answered! haha yeah, but jumping is hard at first, but once ya get the hang of it, you'll be flyin'! lol Has Shadow ever done elnglish/jumping before?
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Post by Cassie on Aug 24, 2007 11:30:51 GMT -5
ok thanks. I'll probably start working on 2-point and getting her ready to switch styles in late November because I've got the CRBC and WCAF, basically nationals, comming up so all I do is train for that right now, then if I make it to worlds I'll be training for that even though its not until mid Nov. Then I'll be done all western showing here and the plan is to move in January but it could easily change.
Is lower back strength important for jumping? I've got this exercise for lower back strength that I havent been doing lately so I'll do that again if lower back strength will be helpful/needed.
No, she hasn't done any proper english/jumping and has absolutly no training in it but I have ridden her in an english saddle 3 times. We didn't work on her having an english frame because it was just for fun and it was my first time english as well. Shes jumped logs in a western saddle with me. It was about 2 feet high. It was so funny because we went on a big trail ride with 7 other lesson horses and they all stepped over it (one went to step over and his foot couldn't reach the ground on the other side) but shadow would walk up to it, stop, then I'd tap her with my spurs a bit and she'd just jump it. I know that in proper jumping the horse can't stop before it but we did it only from a walk (the angle would be to awkrard and its to narrow to do it even at a trot safely) but I was impressed that she even jumped it period. Shes a pretty intellegent horse so I think she'll probably learn pretty quickly.
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Post by Cassie on Aug 25, 2007 11:16:10 GMT -5
OK sorry, I'm kinda just talking all around english now not jumping but thats ok right? OK so while I was riding today I thaught of 2 more things I should probably work on before I move, tell me if you think I should or not, although I'm pretty sure you'll all say I should. #1 Getting her to move off my leg at fairly light pressure. She doesn't right now. I have to squeez as hard as I can then ususally resort to pressing with the spur as well. #2 Getting her use to a crop. Right now if I hit her with a crop or a rein she'll do 1 of 4 things, buck/kickout, jump straigh up in the air, put her head down adn thrash it around, or change leads. I'm deffinatly gonna be needing more than the spurs english people use so a crop will be needed.
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Post by EquitationRocker♥ on Aug 25, 2007 16:46:46 GMT -5
Yes to the leg, no to the crop, if she moves forward off your legs you don't need a crop, it's just for extra "reinforcement" I don't use one because both Mandy and Oscar move forward perfectly fine by themselves.
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Post by [J u m p r g r l ♥] on Aug 25, 2007 18:11:17 GMT -5
If a horse moves forward off my leg, I never use a crop. I ONLY use one if the horse won't go forward off my leg and is lazy.
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Post by Cassie on Aug 25, 2007 21:25:23 GMT -5
Shadow needs constant leg work with spurs to keep her going so I think she'll be needing a crop.
Oh, another thing is I'm going to have to take away some of her training. Brian had me train her to go with the beat of my legs at a lope. I fan my legs every stride, if my legs speed up, she speeds up. If they arent moving she stops. I take it thats not gonna be good for english is it?
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Post by FreeStyle08 on Aug 31, 2007 11:41:18 GMT -5
you got it for the leg cassie.
but with the crop I cary one just becuase baby is lazy and egnores my leg, but if she moves off your leg rather going forward or doing a leg yeld or what ever then you wont need one.
but if she doesnt then you will need to cary one but if you do plan on using a crop or whip then I would start with a dressage whip first.
when she doesnt listen to something with just a little bit of leg take the whip and gently tap it against your leg so that when it bounces back it will veary lightly touch her on the hip, if that doesnt work then tap your leg harder so it touches her harder, and the more that she doesnt do it the harder you flick the whip, unless she is standing there egnoring you then you can move it away from YOUR hip some and give a little tap.
because all the tapping on your hip does is make it so it tickles here (basicly)
once she does it give her 1 strock on the neck and do it again until she does it by your leg and not the whip. once she does it by the leg and not the whip Prase her really well. (or give her a little treat like a chunch of carrot.)
this is what I have to do with baby but I had to start all the from the begining. like he would be standing there and I would squeez him with my legs and he wouldnt go so every time that he would move off the whip I would let him walk about 3 steps and stop him and keep doing thsi until he moved off my leg and once he did i would let him walk around and continuely strock his neck and then I would stop him about half way around the areana (or so) and I would continue to stock his neck for a few more seconds and then I would ask him again.
and its the same prossess rather you working on troting, cantering, leg yeilding, or any thing that you do with your leg that the horse wont listen to your leg.
but its a little bit differant if they dont no the movement. you use your leg and continue to get stronger with it until they give you an effort of the movement and then you praise them really well and go onto something fun for a bit and come back and ask 1 more time.
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Post by Cassie on Aug 31, 2007 18:21:06 GMT -5
OK, thanks JJ
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Post by JJ on Sept 12, 2007 18:24:57 GMT -5
No problem cass hope this helped some.
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Post by Cassie on Sept 29, 2007 14:16:16 GMT -5
Could you guys go look at the newest picks I added and let me know if you think my horse has jumping potential please? I think the topic is called "me, Cassia, Feather and Shadow"
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